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American Lab vs. English Lab

ranchodeluxe said:

My breeder doesn't even test hips, I don't even care about a piece of paper. what I care about, is that there is no history of serious genetic defects going back several generations. That's where I trust my breeder to do the right thing, choose her breeding stock wisely, then guarantee the overall health of the dog, which she does. If the genetics are chosen carefully, the dogs are not bred until mature, and by people who know what they are doing, the piece of paper is irrelevant.

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You have the right to buy dogs from any breeder you choose.
However I find it irresponsible to promote buying from breeders that don't do recommended and widely accepted health testing. The only reason to skip testing is to save a couple bucks. It's not like the test is risky or painful...... it's a couple of x rays and $200ish. Many buyers are not going to research (or even know how to) the pedigree of a perspective pup.

If a breeder doesn't test for the usual breed specific "problems". Run away fast as they are only in it to make a buck. I hate when money trumps improving the breed.

Rancho go ahead a flame away at me. I stand behind my statement 100%

Sorry for going off topic, I didn't want to hijack the thread but I couldn't let an irresponble statement go unchecked.

Steve

 

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Why Raise and Work with British Labrador Retrievers for Hunting Dogs

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Since Mossy Oak had experienced and knew British Labs and their fine qualities, and Bill Gibson had experience training British Labs, we felt they were a good breed of dogs with which to start our kennels. British Labs are hunting dogs, they have great dispositions, and they're bred and trained to be hunters’ companions. We wanted to raise dogs with calm natures, but also when the time comes to work, they’re ready to go. We feel that the British Lab is an almost perfect combination of a companion and a hunting dog. 

I think the best way to explain the difference between a British Lab and a field trial American Lab is to look at two different types of bird dogs. For instance, some English pointers are bred and trained to be big running, highly competitive field trial dogs that cover a lot of ground quickly. Their main objective is to find as many coveys of quail as quickly as possible, regardless of where the hunter is. Other English pointers are bred and trained for what’s known as meat dogs. These dogs don’t range nearly as widely as a field trial dog, they're constantly checking in with their hunters, and they're calmer and often easier to handle than a field trialing English pointer. 

GKK_day2All of the training that we put in our British Labrador retrievers centers on hunting and being a hunter’s companion. Although the dogs Mossy Oak breeds come from British Labrador retriever field trial champion stock, the British field trials are much different than American field trials. The British Lab field trials center on a dog’s hunting ability, handling ability and the connection between the dog and the hunter. Another thing that we like and respect about the British Labs is their training and breeding program. They don’t over-breed the females, and they don’t use e-collars in their training programs. We felt this is a better way to breed and train the top Labrador retrievers. 

Bill Gibson, our trainer, was the assistant police chief in West Point, Mississippi, back in 1999. Gibson has been to the United Kingdom (UK) and won British field trial championships over there. He still returns to the UK about once every 2 years. There’s a special group of people commonly called “dog people,” who love dogs and love raising and training dogs. Bill is one of those kinds of people. So, he’s the right man at the right time to help Mossy Oak develop its British Lab breeding and training facility.  

To learn more about Mossy Oak’s GameKeeper Kennels, the dogs and the trainer, go to www.mossyoakkennels.com.

How a Dog Named Jake Helped Birth Mossy Oak’s GameKeeper Kennels 

The Demand for British Labs for Hunting

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The Real Difference Between American and British Labs

The hunting dog world is full of stereotypes and generalizations—none more entrenched in the bird hunters’ zeitgeist than the perceived differences between British and American Labrador retrievers. It’s commonly believed that British (or English) Labs are smaller, stockier, quieter, more easily trained, and not quite as energetic as their American counterparts. Arguments about superior intelligence, scenting ability, and overall hunting ability are easy to find for both strains, with so much contradiction between rumors that it doesn’t make sense to separate these dogs into different categories.

You might be able to find some trends if you studied enough Labs side by side, but broadly speaking, it’s not as simple as some suggest. According to Mike Stewart, trainer and president of Wildrose International, a respected British Lab kennel, there is no difference. “Genetically, British and American Labs are exactly the same. You have to get into different bloodlines and pedigrees to see dogs that fit into the typical categories of either side.”

Just like buying a Lab based on coat color, if you choose a dog solely on the country of origin, you’re paying for something that doesn’t have any real bearing on health, intelligence, biddability, or athleticism. It’s purely an aesthetic decision. So why pay attention to the difference at all?

It’s all in the breeding, and across the pond they’ve been pretty stringent on how they propagate their Labs. A pedigreed Lab bred in the United Kingdom has a better chance of living up to the generalizations much more than a British Lab from the states. The selectively bred, traditional style in the UK often produces quiet, calm dogs that are highly trainable, with a nose that can not only suss out pheasants, but also blood trail big game.

Here in the states, the role of a British Lab might encompass shed hunting, waterfowl and upland hunting, service, or simply house pet. You could find dual purpose hunting and adventure dogs like those that Stewart and company put out at Wildrose, or a Lab that is expected to do nothing more than retrieve tennis balls and lay on the couch all day. Dogs like the latter still may be considered British, but they aren’t going to impress your hunting partners a whole lot in the field.

Such is the case with American Labs as well. The spectrum covers all types of dogs in the category, and while you can say that retrievers here are high-drive, bigger Labs that can handle late-season ducks in choppy, near-freezing waters, that means nothing until you get into individual bloodlines. There are plenty of American Labs that can’t—or won’t—do any of those things well.

A British or American Lab may fully live up to the stereotypes, or seem to disprove them. It always boils down to individual bloodlines. It should come as no surprise that generations of selective, deliberate breeding in the traditional English style will often produce high performing dogs. The same goes for quality American Labs from long lines of Field Trial and Hunt Test champions. Performance will come not from being either British or American, but the lineage of an individual dog’s pedigree.

Or look at it another way: a Lab being British or American doesn’t mean a whole lot. It’s what an individual dog has been bred for over multiple generations that will influence the performance attributes that matter. While you may want to start your search at British or American due to personal preference for appearance, understand that the bulk of what makes a dog great (or not so great) is the result of generations of pairings between dogs with desirable traits—no matter what country they hail from.

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American Labs vs. English Labs // I own them both!

Useful Guide To Know The Difference Between American And English Labradors

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If you’ve spent any time at all reading about Labrador Retrievers, the terms ‘American Type Labrador’ and ‘English type Labrador’ simply must have come up, being very commonly used terms when describing different labs.

But what do these terms mean? How did these terms come about and make it into common use? Is it just the country of their birth or are there other differences between them?

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Are There Really Different American And English Type Labradors?

The distinction between American and English type labs is not an official one, but the types are now almost universally recognized by all and there are distinct differences between them.

The terms are commonly used and widely known and accepted nicknames for Labradors with ancestry from the respective countries, but also that have been bred for different purposes.

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The English Lab Vs American Lab Breed Differences

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The English and American types of Labrador are distinguish according to bred for show (conformation dogs) and for hunt (field dogs) respectively.

In general, these types of dogs are friendly, dependable good nature, playful, and love of human companionship. They are popular as companion and as service dog. Moreover, the Labrador is first and foremost a retriever.

Labradors bred for show and conformation have become commonly known as English type Labradors as they’re way more common in the UK.

Labradors bred for field trials and hunting have become commonly known as American type Labradors as they’re way more common in the USA.

But perhaps confusingly, there are American Labs that enter dog shows and there are English Labs competing in field trials and used for hunting.

The terms ‘American Labs’ and ‘English Labs’ aren’t absolute and strict terms, but more a useful guide of the probable type of Lab being described. There are many exceptions.

Do The English vs American Lab Breed Standards Differ?

The UK kennel club, the AKC and no other national registry or parent club of Labrador Retrievers contain in the breed standard, or recognize in any way, a difference between American and English Labradors.

They simply do not differentiate between Labs.

There is one Labrador breed standard, and that is that. All Labs should meet the same standard, there is only one Labrador Retriever.

There is no ‘American Labrador Retriever’ and there is no ‘English Labrador Retriever’, there is simply ‘The Labrador Retriever.’

With this said though, there is one slight difference in allowable height between the American and English breed standards:

The American breed standard allows a height of between 21.5 to 24.5 inches while the English breed standard allows a height of 21.5 to 22.5 inches.

This is probably in recognition of the fact the American Labs can be taller and longer in leg…but more on that later.

With the exception of this difference, the two Labrador breed standards are essentially the same. They describe exactly the same dog.

So why do people say there are two types?

The Breed Standards May Be The Same, But Side By Side They’re Very Different!

Seeing an American type and an English type Lab side by side really does highlight some startling differences.

Here is a brief description of the differences you’d typically see in their physical appearances.

What Does A Typical English Type Or Show Bred Labrador Look Like?

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When compared to an American type lab, the English type:

  • Looks more substantial with a heavier look about them. Blockier and bigger built with barrel chests, they’re noticeably wider and more ‘solid’ looking.
  • Has a wider head with a more pronounced and better defined stop, a fuller face and a shorter muzzle which further adds to their more solidly built appearance.
  • Has a thicker, more powerful looking neck.
  • Has a very noticeably thicker coat.
  • Has a wider, thicker and generally straighter tail than their American cousins.
  • Has shorter legs and hence don’t stand quite so tall.
  • Has a shorter body.
  • Bred for conformation they’re usually far closer to how the breed standard is written than the American type.

What Does A Typical American Or Field Type Labrador Look Like?

When compared to an English type lab, the American type:

  • Has a lighter, slimmer looking body. With a more athletic build, lithe and finer boned, they look more agile and ‘ready to go’.
  • Has a head that’s not as wide as their English cousins. The skull and face are noticeably narrower, and their muzzle more streamlined and longer than the English lab.
  • Has a thinner and longer neck which adds to their more lithe and athletic look.
  • Has a noticeably thinner coat.
  • Generally has a tail that is thinner and less ‘otter like’ than an English Lab. It looks longer and some even have a little curl to them.
  • Has longer legs and so are taller when compared to an English lab. In combination with their slimmer build, this further adds to their look of athleticism.
  • Bred for working ability, there’s far less desire for breeders to aim for the breed standard so they’re almost always less closely matched to how the breed standard is written.

Is there a Difference Between Labrador and Labrador Retriever?

All Labs should meet the same standard, Labrador and Labrador Retriever are the same dog. There is no difference, there’s just only one Labrador Retriever (Canis familiaris).

In Labrador breed standard, there is only one Labrador Retriever.

Difference In Energy Levels, Disposition And Overall Temperament

Although not always true and there are exceptions, generally speaking there is a profound difference in the temperament and energy levels of the American and English types:

Energy Levels And Temperament of American Labs

As a rule they’re bred for work and field trials, so the American Lab has a higher energy level and ‘drive’ than their English cousins.

They’re noticeably more active and ‘always on the go’. But of course higher energy levels are needed in a dog with such demands placed on them as working all day.

The higher energy levels and drive have earnt them the label of being more high-strung as they really are always active and need constant exercise and attention.

In terms of temperament and perhaps due to the mix of high intelligence and high energy, they’re considered more head-strong and need a more experienced and strong-in-character owner to achieve control and a well-behaved and balanced pet than does an English Lab.

Without a doubt, the American type is more suited to life as a working dog than as a relaxed family pet.

English Labs Energy levels And Temperament

The English Lab is considered calmer, less active and quieter in nature than the American Lab.

More often described as sweet, mellow, extremely relaxed and quieter when compared to American labs, they’re considered easier to train and to live with for less experienced and laid back owners.

Although still ‘driven’ and suitable for life as a working dog, if a family pet is what’s desired, the English lab is far more likely to slip into this role as they’re far less demanding when it comes to activity and will more readily chill at your feet at the end of a hard day.

Temperament and personality traits common to both breeds

Regardless of type, when it comes to being loving, affectionate and an immense desire to please, both the American and English Labradors are equally matched.

True to the breed standard and part of what makes a Lab a Lab, both the American and English types are highly intelligent, keen and biddable. Very kind in nature, bold and confident whilst void of any aggression.

But you should be aware that differences in energy, ebullience, being head-strong and controllable do exist between the two types.

Reasons For The Difference Between American vs English Labradors

The reason for the difference between the English lab vs American lab is due to many decades of specialized breeding.

Labradors bred especially to hunt and compete in field-trials are selectively bred for their working abilities.

Higher energy, higher drive, more athletic, slimmer built and agile dogs, these are the most desirable traits in a working Labrador.

They’re bred with far less regard for conformity to the breed standard and more for their ability to perform than a Labrador bred for show.

Labradors bred for show in conformation competitions are selectively bred for their looks and temperament alone, with the Labs most closely matching the breed standard and winning awards in the ring going on to be used in breeding programs.

Their ability to perform in hunting and field trials is secondary at best.

It used to be a Labradors conformation and working ability were equally important, with many breeders aiming for the prestigious ‘double champion’ who would win in both the ring and out in the field.

But the two disciplines have become so specialized and competitive in recent decades that double champions have become rarer and rarer with breeders having to concentrate on just the one area to stand any hope of success.

And this is what’s lead to the branching off of the two distinct types and the trend is likely to continue and the differences likely to become even more pronounced.

Why You Might Choose An American, Field-Trial Type Labrador

Especially bred to have the qualities needed in a successful working dog, the American type is very active, with boundless energy, stamina to match and an adventurous and strong-minded attitude.

As a comparison to humans they’re much like an Olympic athlete and truly physically elite.

An American Lab is suitable if you’re looking for a hunting partner, want to get involved in field trial competitions or have a very active outdoor lifestyle.

However, as a family pet and house dog I think they have way too much energy and are too hyper-active than the average family can handle.

They need a lot of exercise, constantly need to have their minds occupied and hence will take up a lot of your time.

If you’re not ready for this and cannot provide the level of activity they need, you may find they get bored and try to entertain themselves and this is when people say they have a problem Lab on their hands.

Perhaps then an English Lab would be more suitable…

Why You Might Choose An English, Show Type Labrador

Especially bred for looks and temperament to match as closely as possible to the official breed standard, the English type Lab is perfect if you have any intentions to compete in conformation shows or wish to go into breeding.

But they’re also far less exuberant, less full of energy and aren’t as highly strung when compared to an American type Lab.

They tend to calm down after puppy-hood much sooner and are more eager to please and easier to train as a well-behaved companion.

This is because they haven’t been bred for high drive, courage, dogged determination (pardon the pun) and peak physical performance.

So if you’re looking for a Labrador that won’t be too high energy to manage, is easier to train, less demanding of activity and time and more suited to life as a family pet, then you should choose an English Labrador.

Please don’t take this to mean that an English Lab is low on energy and easy to manage!

They’re still highly intelligent and energetic dogs that need regular exercise and their minds to be occupied, but compared to an elite American field trial or hunting Lab? Well, they’re worlds apart!

An English Lab is far more suited to life as a family pet. But a high energy family all the same :-)

Will There Ever Be An Official Split Of The Two Types?

The split of Labradors between the English and American types, or the field trial and show types, is very ingrained and accepted terminology within the Labrador world in general even if not with the official parent clubs and kennel clubs of the world.

But the differences that exist between American and English Labs is undeniable and becoming more prevalent as the breeding lines of those for show and those for working Labs become ever more separated.

Some breeders, particularly those from the American field-trial genre feel that the show ring no longer gives their dogs the recognition they deserve.

The more ‘true to standard’ English labs always win in the ring leaving field trial champions to be less and less recognized in show.

So there is lots of debate about splitting the breed into two types and I guess we’ll just have to watch this space to see what occurs.

Conclusion

There are quite considerable differences between ‘American type’ and ‘English type’ Labradors, both in looks and disposition. So which type is best for you? This depends on your lifestyle and what you want from your dog.

American type Labradors are generally more athletic, energetic, more highly driven and better suited to an outdoor life of hunting and sports, or for families with a great deal of energy and real outdoor types.

English type Labradors are blockier and bigger built, calmer, more docile and better suited for life as a family pet…but still an active family nonetheless.

To choose between the types, do a little research, be honest with yourself about which would best fit into your pace of life and try to meet a few of each type to see which you prefer.

If you know what you’re after before you ever approach a breeder then you’re much more likely to end up with a Labrador that best suits you, and a Labrador will end up with an owner that is best for them.

‘American types’ aren’t always more energetic and demanding, ‘English types’ aren’t always more relaxed and easier to handle, but the types are true enough to be a good guide and a place to start.

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You will almost certainly have come across the terms, but what's the difference between American and English Labradors? Is there one?
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