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I noticed one of these carbines for sale for $  Can anyone tell me what is the value for one of these Winchesters?  These are not listed in my 5 year old Blue Book.  Just like the DeKalb seed company rifles aren&#;t, either.  But, the Canadian Pacific Centennial rifles are.  I am interested in purchasing one of these just because my wife&#;s family used to own a coke bottler long ago.  Thanks.  Mike

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Hello Mike,

What is the serial number on the subject Carbine? I have my doubts that it is a true &#;commemorative&#; Model More than likely it is a &#;limited edition&#; that the Coca Cola company commissioned someone to make after purchasing them from the U.S. Repeating Arms Company.

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I bet you are correct.  All I know is it is out of   It looks so gaudy that I would doubt that Winchester would make it!  Mike

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A few years back I had 3 Coca-Cola Edition Winchester carbines. I bought them in Florida, took them to a show in Atlanta and sold 2 of them for what I had in all 3, $3,, so I got one for &#;free&#;lol. You&#;re correct they are not a Commemorative but a limited edition. Ford, Dodge and Chevrolet did the same thing. The story goes that Coca-Cola ordered of them but cancelled the order part way thru, due to a change in command at Coca-Cola who didn&#;t like the idea of their name on a gun. The guns(about ) as I recall, went into storeage and were later sold to a wholesaler, along with a bunch of shotguns. This was all told to Me by Bud Davies (deceased) a good friend of mine and Commemorative dealer/collector.

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Well&#; Surely &#;different &#;strokes&#; for different folks&#;&#; And I do believe that&#;s just what John Browning would likely &#;incur&#;; conjuring that very genetic core his rifle to have spawned. This&#;!
Though in mitigation, the eighteen nineties era celebrating the as another Browning genius creation. In some ways, paralleling in popularity if not story reflecting the early days of Coca Cola. That small creation of decade earlier, by nineties the unique &#;charisma&#; of Coke arrived; literally! The atypical story of small startup; building the better wheel; based on energy, ingenuity, creativity vision&#; And cocaine! Conjuring the commemorative Coca Cola Winchester perhaps somehow suggesting the very spirit of a cocaine inspired vision!
Myself, born in &#;40, growing up with Coke and the ever happy ads, from wartime victory to wholesome peacetime America. I enjoyed Coke and particularly (factoid) the bottle price unchanged from inception through late fifties; five cents for 12 oz! Happily, Coke as rightly centered core America memories!
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Thanks for the replies.  I see the differentiation between a true commemorative and the &#;limited edition&#;.  Apparently, that is what happened with the Dekalb Seed/Asgrow rifles.  Mike

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steve said
I surely learn something new every time I come here.

Never heard of a Dekalb Seed Limited Edition.  But sure enough, they&#;re out there:

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-commemorative-firearms/winchester-model&#;dekalb-seed-special-edition&#;cfm?gun_id=

Here&#;s the Coca Cola version.  I&#;ll say this about it: it&#;s shiny.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-collectible-firearms/winchester-coca-cola-centennial-set.cfm?gun_id=

Notice, the Coca Cola version is part of a set &#; with a M XTR shotgun.    

 Interesting.Both rifles seem to have very nice finish on the wood and nice bluing.

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 So it would appear ,these rifles were ordered from Winchester and the finish work all done by Winchester at the factory,as opposed to ordering the rifles and having some one other than Winchester ,do the finish work.Am I correct on that?

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 Interesting.Both rifles seem to have very nice finish on the wood and nice bluing.  

I find myself agreeing with you.  I particularly like the wood and checkering on the Coca Cola rifle.  Substract the Coca Cola treatments and that would be a pretty nice looking rifle.

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Yup Made at Winchester. to mark Coca-Cola&#;s anniversary. And similarly, there is a Dodge Marksman for sale right now on Gunbroker. They were given away by Dodge with the purchase of a new Ramcharger. Ford and Chevy did similar, I find it  interesting as to how society&#;s values change, the Coca-Cola guns being a prime example. Can You imagine a Staunch Democrat buying a new Ram, getting home and finding a new Winchester hanging in the back window. I was told That is kind of what happened at Coca-Cola,  and the new board of directors were horrified at the prospect of their condoning guns.

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Winchester Model

Lever-action hunting rifle

Winchester Model
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TypeLever-actionhunting rifle
Place&#;of&#;originUnited States
In&#;serviceUnited States
WarsIndian Wars
Spanish–American War
Mexican Revolution
World War I
World War II
DesignerJohn Browning
Designed
Produced–, –
No.&#;built7,,+
Mass&#;lb (&#;kg)
Length&#;in (&#;mm)
Barrel&#;length20&#;in (&#;mm)

Cartridge Winchester, Winchester, Winchester, Winchester, Winchester Special, Waters, Winchester, Winchester, Winchester, Magnum, Remington Magnum, Marlin, Colt, Marlin, bore
ActionLever-action
Muzzle&#;velocity2,&#;ft/s (&#;m/s)
Feed&#;system9-round (26" barrel), 8-round (24" barrel) or 7-round (20" barrel) internal tube magazine
SightsNotch rear sight, post front sight. Peep sights also available.

The Winchester Model rifle (also known as the Winchester 94 or Model 94) is a lever-actionrepeating rifle that became one of the most famous and popular hunting rifles of all time. It was designed by John Browning in and originally chambered to fire two metallic black powder cartridges, the Winchester and Winchester. It was the first rifle to chamber the smokeless powder round, the WCF (Winchester Center Fire, in time becoming known as the ) in In Winchester created the new Winchester Special caliber with production of rifles starting in

The was produced by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company through and then by U.S. Repeating Arms under the Winchester brand until they ceased manufacturing rifles in Reproductions are being made by the Miroku company of Japan and imported into the United States by the Browning Arms company of Morgan, Utah.

The Model has been referred to as the "ultimate lever-action design" by firearms historians such as R. L. Wilson and Hal Herring. The Model is the rifle credited with the name "Winchester" being used to refer to all rifles of this type and was the first commercial sporting rifle to sell over 7,, units.[1]

One Model is on display at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in the Arms & Armor department.

Overview[edit]

The Winchester Model was the first commercial American repeating rifle built to be used with smokeless powder. The was originally chambered to fire 2 metallic black powder cartridges, the Winchester and Winchester. In Winchester went to a different steel composition for rifle manufacturing that could handle higher pressure rounds and offered the rifle in Winchester and Winchester. The Winchester, or WCF (Winchester Centerfire), is the cartridge that has become synonymous with the Model [2] Starting in , the Model was also chambered in Winchester Special.

The Model 94's combination of potent firepower in a compact, lightweight, comfortable-to-carry, and quick-shooting package has made it an extremely popular hunting rifle, particularly for white-tailed deer in the dense forests of the Eastern United States, where most game is killed at relatively short distances. As a result, it was the first sporting rifle to sell over 7,, units. The millionth Model was given to President Calvin Coolidge in , the 1½ millionth rifle to President Harry S. Truman on May 8, and the two millionth unit was given to President Dwight D. Eisenhower in [3]


The United States government purchased 1, commercial Model s with 50, cartridges during World War I. These rifles in the to serial number range were marked atop the receiver ring with a flaming bomb and "U.S." The rifles were intended for United States Army Signal Corps personnel stationed in the Pacific Northwest to prevent labor strike actions from interrupting manufacture of Sitka spruce lumber for framing the fuselage and wings of military aircraft.[4] The rifles were sold as military surplus after the war.[5] To release Lee–Enfield rifles for infantry use, the Royal Navy purchased approximately 5, caliber Model 94 rifles in for shipboard guard duty and mine-clearing. France purchased 15, Model carbines equipped with sling swivels on the left side of the buttstock and barrel band, and with metric gradations on the No. 44A rear sight. These French carbines were issued to motorcycle couriers, artillery troops, trench railway personnel, and some balloon units. Some of these rifles acquired Belgian proofmarks when sold as surplus through Belgium.[6] Examples captured from the United Kingdom by the Wehrmacht were designated the Gewehr (e).[7]

The Winchester was used again in World War II in the hands of the Canadian Pacific Coast Rangers who were issued them to defend the west coast of Canada from Japanese invaders. Winchester '94s were also provided to the British Home Guard in the early years of WWII. The Model 94 over its long history included the Winchester Model 55, produced from through in a inch (&#;mm) barrel, and the Winchester Model 64, produced from through in 20, 24, and inch (&#;mm) barrel lengths.[8] From through , a version of the Model 94 carbine was also sold by Sears as the Ted Williams Model , as part of Sears' marketing arrangement with both Winchester and the retired baseball star.

In mid, the manufacturing of the 94 was changed in order to make the firearm less expensive to produce. Generally referred to as "pre" models, the earlier versions command a premium price over post-change rifles.[9] The limited number of early production models produced prior to the changeover are considered quite desirable, as they are considered by many to represent the ending of an era.[1]

The Winchester 's design allowed the cycling of longer cartridges than the Winchester carbines could permit. When the lever is pulled down, it brings the bottom of the receiver with it, opening up more space and allowing a longer cartridge to feed without making the receiver longer. The mechanism is complex but very reliable. Complete stripping of the action is a multistage task that must be accomplished in precise sequence. However, it is rarely necessary to completely strip the action. The largest cartridge that the action can accommodate is the Marlin, which was chambered in some custom rifles and the short-lived Timber Carbine on a beefed-up "big bore" receiver.[10]

Decades after the Winchester was phased out, the Winchester Models were manufactured in typical revolver calibers such as Special/ Magnum, Special/ Magnum, Colt, Winchester, and Winchester. Typically, the tube magazine is able to hold 9 to 13 rounds of these handgun calibers. The magazine capacity depends on the length of the barrel, as the under barrel tube magazine typically covers the entire length of the barrel.[11]

Handgun calibers are preferred by modern-day Cowboy Action Shooters as it allows one type of ammunition for both rifle and handgun. A typical combination would be an Colt (Colt Peacemaker or clone) and a Winchester capable of shooting the same type of ammunition. The action, designed for smokeless rifle rounds, is much stronger than the action of the Winchesters (Models , , ) that were based on Benjamin Henry's toggle-link system, and can easily handle modern high-pressure revolver cartridges such as the Magnum.

From to , the Model 94 angle eject 20" barreled carbine and 24" barreled XTR rifle were offered in Waters (an improved case necked down to a 7mm bullet).[12] In , the rifle was offered in shotgun and named the Model [13]

As of , the Winchester holds the record for best-selling high-powered rifle in U.S. history.[14]

U.S. production ceased in At the time there were 14 versions of the Model 94 in the Winchester catalog. In Winchester Repeating Arms reintroduced the model 94 in two Limited Edition models to commemorate the th anniversary of Oliver F. Winchester's birth in New England in [15]

Design changes[edit]

Winchester 94 () Winchester Special

Three major changes have been made in the design and construction of the Winchester since World War II, all tied to major shifts in Winchester's corporate leadership and direction. The first and largest came in , after the resignation of gun enthusiast John M. Olin from the presidency of the company he founded, Olin Corporation. The second came in , after Olin's sale of the Winchester factory to its employees, who formed the U.S. Repeating Arms Company (USRAC). The third in , after the bankruptcy of USRAC and its subsequent purchase by FN Herstal, which sought to market Winchester guns worldwide.

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Upon Olin's retirement, Olin Corporation's new chief executives sought to maximize company profitability, giving corporate preference to its flourishing chemical business over gun production, which was unprofitable and labor-intensive. As a result, Winchester ceased machining both the receiver and many small parts of the Model 94 out of solid steel billet as of Sintered steel was used on the receiver, stamped sheet metal for the cartridge lifter, and hollow rather than solid steel roll pins used in the action. While the rifle's function, safety, and accuracy were not adversely affected, the changes—in particular the sintered receiver, which was as strong as its solid-steel predecessor but which did not respond well to a traditional blued finish—were conspicuous and came as Winchester made even more fundamental changes to its flagship Model 70bolt-action rifle. Taken together, they were seen as a retreat from quality production across the company's whole range, seriously damaging Winchester's reputation for making quality firearms in the process. In response, many sought out rifles made before , (pre '64),[9] which command a markedly higher resale value on the gun market to this day.

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One of the drawbacks of the original Model action in relation to competitors like the Marlin Model was that the Winchester ejects cartridges from the top of the receiver and over the user's shoulder, rather than to the side. A top-ejecting firearm cannot mount a telescopic scope on top of the receiver—the most convenient location for the shooter—without interfering with cartridge ejection. A scope for such a firearm must instead be mounted either far forward on the barrel (where it must be specifically designed for the purpose), or offset to the side of the gun (which creates problems due to parallax). Both options seriously degrade the usefulness of a scope for such a rifle.

This was not a major concern when the gun was originally designed; the most common upgrade to guns of the pre–World War II era was the installation of a peep sight to the rear of the receiver, which maximized the accuracy potential of the factory-installed iron sights. Winchester had long had mounting holes pre-drilled in the receiver of the gun to accommodate such a modification, and it was by far the most common upgrade installed on the Model 94 for most of its history. Nevertheless, consumer tastes changed in the years after World War II as high quality scopes became both widely available and affordable.[16] Commercial acceptance of the new scopes was likewise rapid, and by the s the ability to use receiver-mounted scopes on hunting rifles had become expected by most gun buyers. With the competition able to mount scopes on its receivers without difficulty, this shortcoming was blamed for falling sales. In response, Winchester changed the design of the action in to angled cartridge ejection, which ejects fired cartridges at an angle that allows the rifle to function while fitted with a conventional receiver-mounted scope.[16]

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Despite these changes, U.S. Repeating Arms did not flourish, declaring bankruptcy in It was subsequently purchased by Belgian arms maker FN Herstal, which set about improving the whole Winchester line, instituting modern CNC methods of production at Winchester's factory while also seeking to expand the sales and marketing of Winchester rifles worldwide. This effort would culminate in two major changes to the gun in the reintroducing of now-CNC-machined parts and solid pins back into the action, and the elimination of the traditional half-cock safety notch on the hammer in favor of a cross-bolt safety, which enabled the gun to be sold internationally.

Though the increase in build quality was noted at the time, it was the conspicuous presence of the new safety that generated the strongest opinions. It was widely reviled by American consumers and gun writers alike as a "lawyer" safety, who said it detracted from the overall look, feel, and operation of the rifle. FNH and Winchester responded in by moving the safety to the tang behind the receiver, which largely quelled the controversy. Both the last Model 94s to leave the New Haven factory before American production ceased in and the new Model 94s produced in Japan since by Miroku Corp. feature these tang-mounted safeties.[17]

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  1. ^ abWilson, R. L. (). Winchester: An American Legend. New York: Book Sales, Inc. pp.&#;96– ISBN&#;.
  2. ^Herring, Hal (). Famous Firearms of the Old West: From Wild Bill Hickok's Colt Revolvers to Geronimo's Winchester, Twelve Guns That Shaped Our History. Montana: TwoDot. p.&#; ISBN&#;.
  3. ^Henshaw, Thomas (). The History of Winchester Firearms . New York: Winchester Press. p.&#; ISBN&#;.
  4. ^Canfield, Bruce N. (). "Drafted: The U.S. Military Contract Winchester Model Carbine". American Rifleman. National Rifle Association. (2):
  5. ^Canfield, Bruce N. 19th Century Military Winchesters March American Rifleman p. 77
  6. ^Mercaldo, Luke & Vanderlinden, Anthony Winchester Lever-Actions go to War June American Rifleman pp. 53–54
  7. ^Guus de Vries (). Captured Arms / Beutewaffen. S.I. Publicaties BV. ISBN&#;.
  8. ^The model number 55 was used twice by Winchester, first as a Model 94 variant introduced in , and, later, as a short-lived single-shot/auto-eject hybrid caliber rifle that self-cocked the bolt each time it was fired). Henshaw () p. 84
  9. ^ abGun Trader's Guide (22&#;ed.). Stoeger Publishing Company. p.&#;5. ISBN&#;.
  10. ^Zidock Jr., Alex (). "Winchester Model 94". Popular Mechanics. Hearst Magazines. (5): 50– ISSN&#;
  11. ^Venturino, Mike (). "Slingin' Lead". Popular Mechanics. Jay McGill. (4): 76–
  12. ^Frank C. Barnes, ed. Stan Skinner. Cartridges of the World, 10th Ed. Krause Publications. ISBN&#;.
  13. ^Renneberg, Robert C. (). Winchester Model A Century of Craftmanship (2&#;ed.). Iola, Wisconsin: Krause Publications. p.&#; ISBN&#;.
  14. ^Wallack, LR. "Sixty Million Guns". In Gun Digest Treasury, Harold A. Murtz, editor, DBI Books. p. ISBN&#;
  15. ^Shideler, Dan (). Gun Digest (65&#;ed.). Iola, Wisconsin: Krause Publications. p.&#; ISBN&#;.
  16. ^ abSchoby, Michael (). Hunter's Guide to Whitetail Rifles. Mechanicsburg, Penn.: Stackpole Books. p.&#; ISBN&#;. OCLC&#;
  17. ^Murtz, Harold A. (). The Gun Digest Book of Exploded Gun Drawings: Isometric Views. Iola, Wis.: Gun Digest Books. pp.&#;– ISBN&#;. OCLC&#; Retrieved 17 June

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hello all,,new guy here ,,i'm needing some info on a 20 ga model xtr shotgun i recently came across ,,it seems to have some major feeding issues ,,i'm trying to find a exploded view of the carrier parts includeing the carrier release and the plastic magazine throat assembly and how to remove them ,,i think the issue is in the carrier release ,,i've had the gun apart and it doesn't seem to be raiseing the carrier when you cock the action ,,and the action won't lock open ,,i'm puzzeled ,,it could be in the follower and i need to know how to get the mag tube out to check the release and the follower itself it kinda looks like it's pressed into the receiver ,,can anyone help?? i've herd that winchester auto loaders are known for feed issues and i see parts are hard to find for the feed systems,, so i need some pointers on removeing the mag assembly without breaking something i can't get..
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Growing up, it was clear that most gun writers were not impressed with the Post 64 Model 70 Winchester. Now whether or not they actually hated the rifle or were just lamenting the passing of the original Model 70 is the question.

Do any of you gents own a Model 70 XTR? If so, and with the knowledge that they were not crf actions, what do you think about the rifle? For example, compared to a Remington Model of that era, how did the XTR stack up?

Is there any good reason not to pick up one on the used market (assuming it is in good shape, of course)?



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We picked up an XTR for my dad in when they were first offered in the early 80s IIRC. At the same time I purchased a used Remington mod. BDL left hand. Very similar for the times as far as blueing and stock finish black forend tips etc. The fit and finish was excellent and like all mod. 70s the bolt dissesembly was a piece of cake. If I was right handed I would have picked it over the


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My very first center fire bolt action was a Model 70 in that I bought in or I used it for a couple of years with very good results. I decided I needed something bigger and traded it for a M77 in around I became a Remington Man around and that is pretty much all I shot/owned until about 5 years ago when I came across a XTR in X I now own more M70's than M's. The M's are all either pre prefix, or A,B or C. I don't own one of the newer ones at this time. Nothing against them, just don't interest me any longer.

My experience with the XTR's has been a very smooth action that would achieve MOA or better with minimal effort.



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They are sleepers. The gun writers of yore were pissing and moaning about '64, blah,blah,blah


Which actually works in your favor to buy one.

"Is that a pre"

"Nope"

"Ohthey just ain't the same after '64"

"I reckon I could take $"

"What caliber?"

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"Make it $"

"Shoo weeee, now I can put a deposit on one of them there Kreedmires"



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Have owned a few, and have one now.
I'll always go Model 70 over the Model Especially the FWT configuration.



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I think they are great. I have one in a m70 FWT 7X57mm Mauser. It shoots lights out, it’s easy to disassemble, carries like a dream.



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IMO, the XTRs, particularly the FWTs, are some of the best M70s made. I'd take one every time over any M


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We have several of them around here! As Winchester changed hands a few times, their quality control seemed to waiver a bitbut the design makes it a great rifle. Probably the biggest “black eye” was in the post ‘60’s era, with the “pressed” checkering. Didn't hurt the functionality, just cheap looking! memtb



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Better than any made. The push feed model 70 with the plastic stocks are good solid rifles, I've got two a 30 06 and a WSM that is a Turkey Fed Dinner rifle. Both are good shooters, the WSM shoot almost everthing into 3/4" all day every day. I liked it so much I put it in a McMillian Hunters Edge I had and it has become one of my favorites. Think I paid less than $ on GB. ( Correction I looked it up in my records and I paid $ for it.) '06 is MOA with BT. Love the 3 position safety. Nothing the matter with the push feeds. Never owned one of the XTR FWT's but if the right one comes along I'll snatch it up!


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I have a couple post's and generally speaking, I like them fine. The barrels are at least as good as Remingtons and may be more consistent. The trigger is not fully adjustable (no sear engagement adjustment) but is still a good trigger with some work. One of mine is a model and was an example of everything "experts hated about the new Model Huge gap in the free-floated fore arm, cheap looking follower, negative aspect pressed checkering, generally a cheap looking rifle. This was torn apart and re-made into a prone rifle. MacMillan stock, Hart barrel, bushed bolt face and reduced firing pin diameter. It shoots very well and I doubt that I could have gotten any more out of a The trigger pull is 1 1/4 pounds
The second was a short-actioned lightweight in It went throught a few iterations and is presently another prone rifle with a laminated stock and Kreiger barrel. This one is not quite as good on the target but it's still pretty good and I like the rifle. I don't like the interrupted thread in the receiver and bothof these have been opened to 1 1/16x16; same as a Remington.
I like the Model 70's and like using them but, the truth is, if I want to build an accurate target rifle, I would likely choose a Remington action or a clone. If I want something a little bit different though, I'm happy to use a Model
The model features the anti-bind bolt and the checkering, while still pressed in, is at least positive aspect. The stock shape is also a bit nicer and the unsightly gap is gone. Sometime in the mid to late seventies, more changes were made and the stock now had machine-cut chekering, a black forend tip and was as good as any stock Winchester had made. The bottom of the receiver was fully machined. The next change was the introduction of the Featherweight with the new stock. This was, and is, a nice rifle.
The truth is, all of the rifles made in the seventies, while not works of art, were pretty decent rifles. Whether made by Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Marlin, or even Savage, they were good, functional rifles. Some were better than that. GD


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We picked up an XTR for my dad in when they were first offered in the early 80s IIRC.



This is not JUST for Mike but ALL per the XTR M 70s. Mike you are correct about the yrs.

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We have several of them around here! As Winchester changed hands a few times, their quality control seemed to waiver a bitbut the design makes it a great rifle. Probably the biggest “black eye” was in the post ‘60’s era, with the “pressed” checkering. Didn't hurt the functionality, just cheap looking! memtb



memt - The XTRs ( Title of Thread ) didn't come out till See pic above.


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The post 64's made through the 's were not that good as a rule. I think those were the rifles the gun writers despised. Winchester was actually bought out by investors and the name was changed to 'United States Repeating Arms Company" in or IIRC. They made an effort to improve things and went with the XTR line in the early 80's. Someone said , that is probably about right. I've had a few of the 's era rifles and liked them all. In the early 's they bought back the CRF design and called them "Classics". The pushfeed rifles continued in production alongside the CRF rifles right up until they closed the doors in But after the Classics were introduced the PF versions were relegated to the budget line of rifles and I don't think they were as good as the 's XTR's.

I'd much rather have an XTR than any Remington ever made. But given the option really prefer the Classics or current production rifles. I eventually sold all of my XTR's. Not that there was anything wrong with them, but I just liked the CRF rifles better.



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I've got two ,a XTR and a 7x57 fwt. Not a hiccup from either one over the past 30 years. Good solid rifles!


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IMO, the XTRs, particularly the FWTs, are some of the best M70s made. I'd take one every time over any M



This exactly. A pushfeed XTR is the best pusher ever made.

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Guys I'm not pushing anything at all. This is just more info per XTRs.

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That's the Cover of the Win catalog and on P 6 we find this:

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I agree with those who've said something to this effect. The XTRs are VERY GOOD rifles.
I have one now in X55 and had a W. Neither of them gave me any trouble at all.

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My first rifle was a model 70 XTR in I was 16, I think. My dad bought it with the money I gave him, $ on sale at Bi-Mart.

I still have it.





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jwall, Yes! Was “only” explaining when, why, where, Winchester acquired it’s poor reputatation on the post models. It obviously did not “carry-over” into the ‘80’s and the XTR models! memtb


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What does XTR stand for?



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Why it's XTRA, what else ? whistle
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Very Nice Rifle.

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Wife's first rifle was a XTR in Winchester. Bought it new in '76 if I remember right. High gloss finish, white line spacers, and black for tip and grip cap. It's the only rifle I have never been able to shoot better than 3" at yards for a group. New scope, mounts, reloaded everything from light to heavy bullets different powders etc etc. Even put it in a new stock and bedded it. No luck. Still have it and thinking about a new barrel. Funny thing is it's a long action but a She has shot several whitetails with it so it stays around. To me not accurate, but still minute of deer..


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Back in the early 80's I bought a , a , and a in Feather Weight XTR. Loved the as it was almost 2 pounds lighter than my The was for my wife and she did not like it and stayed with her savage Well I had Randell Redman re-bore it to a 35 Whelen. These XTR's are my favorite bolt guns going.


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We have several of them around here! As Winchester changed hands a few times, their quality control seemed to waiver a bitbut the design makes it a great rifle. Probably the biggest “black eye” was in the post ‘60’s era, with the “pressed” checkering. Didn't hurt the functionality, just cheap looking! memtb


Yep, those early ones with the ugly, pressed checkering were pretty bad looking, although they shot well.

Seems quality improved later on and was pretty good with the XTR's and cut type checkering.

The extractor in the bolt lug was a weak point and could be blown out with an overcharge.

Barrels were pretty good, IMO about as good as the Pre's.

Years ago, I bought an early version in 7RM from a bud for $90, put it in a Royal stock, glassed and checkered it. My son still has it and used it to kill deer. It wears a Tasco Titan, the older 30 mm Jap version with FFP. A good scope. It's a MOA shooter, lots of performance for the investment.

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I have a 30/06 made IN 64 and a Win made in I know they are ugly, and I can't explain wh,y but I really like both, just the way they are. Both being tack drivers helps, of course. But to me they balance wall and line up well when at my shoulder. no accounting for taste, I guess


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There is a late 60s M70 in WIN for sale in my area and its a pretty nice rifle, it has a large older Weaver scope on it. If it was a I would snatch it up.


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There is a late 60s M70 in WIN for sale in my area and its a pretty nice rifle, it has a large older Weaver scope on it. If it was a I would snatch it up.

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Funny you said that.. I was digging in one of my safes for a certain rifle and came across a M70 PF compact.. When I took it out to get at another one further back I noted it was a Rem.. I do NOT remember owning that one at ALL

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Well, you don't own it.

I left it with you to do a trigger job don't ya know ? whistle
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Well, you don't own it.

I left it with you to do a trigger job don't ya know ? whistle
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The post 64's made through the 's were not that good as a rule. I think those were the rifles the gun writers despised. Winchester was actually bought out by investors and the name was changed to 'United States Repeating Arms Company" in or IIRC. They made an effort to improve things and went with the XTR line in the early 80's. Someone said , that is probably about right. I've had a few of the 's era rifles and liked them all. In the early 's they bought back the CRF design and called them "Classics". The pushfeed rifles continued in production alongside the CRF rifles right up until they closed the doors in But after the Classics were introduced the PF versions were relegated to the budget line of rifles and I don't think they were as good as the 's XTR's.

I'd much rather have an XTR than any Remington ever made. But given the option really prefer the Classics or current production rifles. I eventually sold all of my XTR's. Not that there was anything wrong with them, but I just liked the CRF rifles better.



Wrong.. on the whole USRACo story.. you left out Olin corporation, labor union strike in , Olin corporation was not making money on rifles anymore. it's all on the internet, so no need to shoot from the hip.


Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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Well, you don't own it.

I left it with you to do a trigger job don't ya know ? whistle
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I'll give ya an "E" for effort, but an "F" for results.. smile

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I had three from that time frame, a Ranger in , a Heavy Varmint in /, a FWT in 7x The shot rather commonly, to be honest, the HV was a miracle of accuracy, simply magic, the 7 Mauser shot well, but the FWT stock doesn't fit me, and that made it a "no-go", I just couldn't adapt to it.

I DID like that Ranger , the hardwood stock fit me, and the magazine held seven down!, which meant I didn't have to carry extra ammo for groundhog hunting, it just didn't shoot all that well. Dammit.



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Guys I'm not pushing anything at all. This is just more info per XTRs.

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The XTRs and NEW FTWT were Introduced in

That's the Cover of the Win catalog and on P 6 we find this:

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I agree with those who've said something to this effect. The XTRs are VERY GOOD rifles.
I have one now in X55 and had a W. Neither of them gave me any trouble at all.

Jerry




The "XTR" ("title of the thread", as you so eloquently told another poster) actually came out in Just so you know. The earliest XTR fwt's were made in and made their debut in


I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.


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What does XTR stand for?




According to winchester: It means, "Extra care in fitting, extra deep gleaming finish on the genuine american walnut stock, and extra polishing on exterior metal, for a rich perfectly uniform blue"


I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.


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What does XTR stand for?




According to winchester: It means, "Extra care in fitting, extra deep gleaming finish on the genuine american walnut stock, and extra polishing on exterior metal, for a rich perfectly uniform blue"



So fighting the post '64 blues. Interesting. I guess that's that whole idea behind the "classic action" CRF.

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What does XTR stand for?




According to winchester: It means, "Extra care in fitting, extra deep gleaming finish on the genuine american walnut stock, and extra polishing on exterior metal, for a rich perfectly uniform blue"



So fighting the post '64 blues. Interesting. I guess that's that whole idea behind the "classic action" CRF.


In a way, you are correct. The early post 64's left a bad taste in the mouths of gunwriters of the time (JOC for example), due to the cheapening of the model Of course, we all know that, but the XTR helped dig them out of a hole they dug for themselves.


I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.


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Guys I'm not pushing anything at all. This is just more info per XTRs.

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The XTRs and NEW FTWT were Introduced in

That's the Cover of the Win catalog and on P 6 we find this:

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I agree with those who've said something to this effect. The XTRs are VERY GOOD rifles.
I have one now in X55 and had a W. Neither of them gave me any trouble at all.

Jerry




The "XTR" ("title of the thread", as you so eloquently told another poster) actually came out in Just so you know. The earliest XTR fwt's were made in and made their debut in
Yep, the XTR series came out in '78 and was applied to many guns in the Winchester line. The pump and auto shotguns, the '94 lever guns, including the brand new big bore 94 and the model 70's all got the XTR treatment.

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Guys I'm not pushing anything at all. This is just more info per XTRs.

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The XTRs and NEW FTWT were Introduced in

That's the Cover of the Win catalog and on P 6 we find this:

[Linked Image]

I agree with those who've said something to this effect. The XTRs are VERY GOOD rifles.
I have one now in X55 and had a W. Neither of them gave me any trouble at all.

Jerry




The "XTR" ("title of the thread", as you so eloquently told another poster) actually came out in Just so you know. The earliest XTR fwt's were made in and made their debut in


Also from what could gather on the good ol intranet, the debut of the model 70 xtr featherweight was held up due to the strike at the new haven plant. I read they wanted to introduce them in 79 but labor strife, chitty economy, super inflation Olin corporation decided there was no money to made in selling firearms, just in ammunition. They were going to shut the plant down in 81 anyhow. So the employees formed USRACo and bought the facility and the use of Winchester name from Olin. Then in they went bankrupt and that's when FN stepped in.


Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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Pretty sure mine is a M70 "Deluxe" with the ebony forend tip on the stock. I'm assuming that anyway, based on an old Shooters Bible. It's far from deluxe now though. Always been quite a shooter. I figured it was built by a grumpy old dude at Winchester that had 5 years until retirement and was too stubborn to built a bad rifle. 😀


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This thread prompted me to get out my M70 Featherweight XTR and a flood of memories came to my mind. The year was and I was going on my first elk hunt out west. To commemorate the exciting event, I had to get a new rifle chambered in '06 and in January I got a barreled action. Composit stocks were becoming the rage so, I put it into a Bell & Carlson. I worked up some loads that late spring utilizing Hercules Rx and Nosler's grain Solid Base at fps. Saturday, October 14, at hours, I killed the biggest elk I've ever taken and Thursday, November 11, I killed the largest W/T buck using the above mentioned load. Numerous other animals has fallen to this rifle but, alas my supply of RX is no more although I still have a box of bullets left. This rifle has been really good to me and I'm thinking it will get used in the coming season. Think I like XTRs? wink


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Win catalog and on P 6 we find this:

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Guys, I have GOOGLED Win 70 XTR and I haven't found ONE word FROM Win about the XTRs before

COULD y'all give a link or copy & paste something WINCHESTER printed about the XTRs before ?

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The "XTR" actually came out in Just so you know. The earliest XTR fwt's were made in and made their debut in



First off, Everything has to be developed and made BEFORE it can be sold/introduced.

I'm looking for evidence of XTRs from Win. before

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Man, look on page of Rules book. Most winchester guys have that book.



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BSA -

I like and use Win 70s but I'm NOT a Win FREAK. I don't have the book.
I didn't find any reference to it on Google.


Post a pic,,,,,, please.


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Win catalog and on P 6 we find this:

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Guys, I have GOOGLED Win 70 XTR and I haven't found ONE word FROM Win about the XTRs before

COULD y'all give a link or copy & paste something WINCHESTER printed about the XTRs before ?

Jerry


Your Google fu is weak Danielson. Standard model 70 xtr were as BSA said introduced in The xtr featherweights hit the scene in Ask me how I know, BSA sold me his xtr featherweight sn xxxx built in


Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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My 82 model 70 XTR Featherweight is a beauty & is the crown jewel of my commercial rifles.


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